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>A clarification on sovereignty

>is in order. 3 responses to my recent post, God’s sovereignty and glory, while accurate, did not quite focus on what I was trying to say.

It is not that I think God gives us some freedom and still retains his sovereignty, even though that is true.

Rather, I think that if God makes us free agents then it is impossible for him to make us love him. Love is a free expression. If determinism is true then we can act affectionately (or in a way that has that appearance) but we a little different from programmed robots. If we are free to love then we either do or we do not. If we choose to reject God then God cannot make us love him. It is not a question of sovereignty. It is a question of logic:

If freewill then not forced love.

The nature of love means it is our decision to make.

A couple of side notes. I am not saying freewill equates to being able to do or think anything. We cannot do many things. It may not occur to us to think of many things. We cannot process ideas that are beyond our comprehension. And God is able to act on our thoughts (give us ideas or prevent us thinking something); and on our actions, force or prevent a certain action. Freewill means the ability to make some decisions independent of God. We may make some of these decisions contradictory to God’s preferences.

And even though God cannot make us love him he can prove his existence to us and he can act in such ways as to maximise the chances that we will desire him. He can pursue us to depths unimaginable.

Categories: freewill, logic, sovereignty
  1. michael
    2008 September 20 at 16:54

    Bethyada, you wrote in closing:
    [[And even though God cannot make us love him he can prove his existence to us and he can act in such ways as to maximise the chances that we will desire him. He can pursue us to depths unimaginable.]]
    I find that logic rather weak.
    Can you reconcile your words with what Paul wrote here:
    Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.
    Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
    Wouldn’t you agree that Paul makes a more salient agrument and a stronger statment than you about God’s abilities to make Himself known and people suppressing that knowledge of Truth?

  2. 2008 September 21 at 08:55

    Michael, I have no problem with saying that God can make people aware of his existence. At the end of the age every man will bow before him.
    But knowing God is real and choosing to follow God are not the same things.

  3. michael
    2008 September 21 at 16:43

    BY,
    how much time do you want to give to this?
    I have something, but, in a spirit of comity I would proceed? I am not one to quibble with you. You are one to be respected, as I suspect I am too?
    michael

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