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>Liar, liar

>Lying is usually viewed as wrong and appropriately so. To call someone a liar is not a small undertaking and to do so falsely causes major damage and is a sin. However it is not enough that someone disagrees with you to think they are lying; opponents can be wrong without being dishonest.

We must not confuse a person’s opinion of reality with distortion of what they know.

Ultimate truth is what conforms to reality. Falsehood is what does not. But to pass off what one thinks is reality when it is not reality is not the same as distorting what one knows to be the case.

There are 4 scenarios

  1. Agreeing with reality and saying so
  2. Agreeing with reality and saying other
  3. Disagreeing with reality and saying so
  4. Disagreeing with reality and saying other

Scenario 1 is truth telling, scenario 2 is lying, but what of scenarios 3 and 4?

The problem is we have disagreements over what reality is. Differing opinions may be related to arguing at cross purposes or real disagreement. If the opinions are incompatible it may be that both persons are wrong, but if one of them is correct, logically the other must be incorrect. The person arguing for the incorrect position corresponds to scenario 3. To call that person a liar is, in fact, not correct. The difficulty is the argument is over which position is correct. Calling the other person a liar at least implies that one is certain they are correct (they may be, but this misses the point there is disagreement); it may also imply the other person is misrepresenting what they know to be true, whereas they may actually believe their incorrect position.

So to prove someone a liar one needs to demonstrate the person is aware of some fact that contradicts their position and they were hiding this knowledge to suit their purposes.

This is important. Calling someone a liar seems to be yet another common way of refusing to debate the issues. It is really a form of equivocation: someone claims that not being in agreement with the facts (scenario 3) is as an adequate definition of liar, but in tarring someone as a liar suggests they are in the position of misrepresenting what they know to be true (scenario 2), and it is this (the implied scenario not the actual one) which is seen as a moral failure. Whether lying is ever acceptable is another topic.

And what of scenario 4, being in the position of telling what you think is a lie but in actuality corresponds to reality. Well that still makes you a liar, however if people act on your lies it is likely to result in less damage to society than scenario 2 (and perhaps scenario 3).

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  1. Filmowl
    2007 May 27 at 05:49

    >Interesting post. I am pondering whether or not I agree with your definition of truth. If truth is “whatever conforms to reality”, this would imply that the only way we can know truth is by empirical verification, would it not? But because empiricism is inductive and therefore tentative, we can never be certain of anything. But I guess not being certain of truth doesn’t mean your definition is false.

  2. bethyada
    2007 June 3 at 22:16

    >Language is a difficult thing. I have changed the post slightly to say “ultimate truth.” I think the essence of truth telling is passing off what you believe to be true and lying what you believe to be false. Of course reality may not be what someone believes to be true so I have used the word falsehood, perhaps I should’ve used the corresponding neologism “truthhood.”

  3. DuckMan
    2007 June 6 at 14:40

    >Examples:Scenario 1: “But it does move.” – GalileoScenario 2: “I did not have sex with that woman.” – Billy JeffScenario 3: “The British government [something about Saddam and yellowcake uranium]” – Bush (43) (whatever else one might believe about him, he wasn’t lying then)Scenario 4: “I know where he is. He is hidden in the cemetery. In a vault or in the gravediggers’ shack.” – Pablo Ibbieta in “The Wall” by Jean-Paul Sartre

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